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Thursday, 6 November 2003
Jane, You Ignorant Slut
I really do have work that I have to do today, but let's face it, this is what gets my blood pumping.

First, with bad news seemingly pouring out of Iraq everyday, I think Dean may have a chance to compete on foreign policy. It will depend on his advisors and if he is able to go toe to toe with Bush on foreign policy in the fall debates. I think Dean's willingness to discuss Saudia Arabia, as Marc alluded to, is also a good first step toward making the foreign policy issue less of a give away for Bush.

(Sidebar Question: Will Bush debate anybody this year? It's not his strong suit, and he knows it. Although he performed well in 2000, he did so with very little expectation. Now, he's going to be expected to be informed, nuanced and articulate. Bush will have to prove that his four years in the White House have forged in him the gravitas that he's banking on to make him untouchable in terms of foreign policy.)

Marc, your original post today suggested that Dean was backing away from an unpopular position (in the party, at least) when he attempted to apologize and clarify his confederate flag comment. That, however, does not seem to me to be the case. Dean's campaign seems bent, wisely I think, on shifting focus away from cultural values and on to the economy. I think Dean wants poor people to vote for him because he offers a progressive economic agenda (including health care reform, job creation and education reform), despite many voters misgivings about the Democratic party's fairly liberal stance on social issues. The inherent flaw with his wording, however, was the choice of a symbol so divisive that it thrust cultural values into the forefront of the discussion, exactly where Dean didn't want them to be. I think his comment was a political gaffe, but I don't think it does any damage to his overall policy initiatives or strategy.

True, Dean is quite a bit different from the majority of southern voters, but I don't think he needs to bend his social views to their liking. Like Clinton did in 1992, Dean must prevent his social values from becoming an obstacle in the minds of those poor, white southern voters who might vote for him otherwise. Clinton did not, nor did he pretend to, share a lot of cultural values with most southern, white voters. What he did do is downplay his differences and exaggerate his similarities. And this must be the Dean strategy. Dean has a good start due to his glowing NRA record and refusal to rescind his comment that rural states do not need the same gun-control laws as urban states do, a comment many Democrats found obliquely racist.

Clinton did not win the South on cultural issues. What he did do, and what Dean must do, is refuse to lose the South on cultural issues.

Tony

Posted by thynkhard at 1:15 PM EST
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Thursday, 6 November 2003 - 2:00 PM EST

Name: Shawn

George Will addresses that very issue in today's article.

Thursday, 6 November 2003 - 2:43 PM EST

Name: Marc

Your last line is basically what I was saying. Dean cannot out-redneck anybody in the South, but he can't afford to be caricatured as a Dukakisite northeastern liberal.

I really like the sticking it to the Muslims idea. It is reminscent of something Spiro Agnew did after the race riots in 1968. He was speaking to a bunch of respectable black leadership types (who didn't espouse violence in those days) and basically blamed the riots on them, while on TV. Dean should call in CAIR and Zogby, people like that, and just unload on them. Those Arabs voted for Bush anyway - fuck 'em.

On the debate thing, Dean will probably play into Bush's strengths - he has a tendency to be angry and arrogant, plus he's the only guy who can make Bush looks tall.

Thursday, 6 November 2003 - 3:18 PM EST

Name: Tony

Marc, as I was writing my last post I realized that our positions weren't as varied as I had once thought they were. Maybe our disagreement was whether Dean's apology was an effort to backtrack on a controversial issue, signifying toadying to the Democratic powers-that-be, or if Dean had simply chosen his words poorly and was merely attempting to articulate the Southern Strategy that I've been blogging about all day.

I think you're probably right about Bush not being afraid to debate Dean. What I'm wondering is if, like Nixon in 1972, Bush will even give Dean the chance. By all indications Bush will probably be sitting on a relativley comfortable lead by the time debate time rolls around. It's a sticky political situation, because you don't want to look like you're ducking a confrontation. But, if you've got a lead, it'd be best to not give the other guy the time of day. Sounds like a job for Karl Rove: Diabolical Genius.

Thursday, 6 November 2003 - 3:22 PM EST

Name: Tony

Blog comment addendum:
Shawn: Thanks for the George Will link, I hadn't read him today, but I will check it out immediately.

Thursday, 6 November 2003 - 3:48 PM EST

Name: Tony

Shawn: Excellent Will article. I thought it was interesting that Dick Gephardt has said he doesn't want the votes of guys with confederate flags on their pickup. That's alot of people, and they're not only in the South. As Jeff Foxworthy said, there are rednecks everywhere. In fact, last March when we were all in Boston we saw a truck adored with several confederate flags. Boston!

Thursday, 6 November 2003 - 6:15 PM EST

Name: Shawn

I know! I guess Gephardt isn't as forward-looking as Dean; Dean knows he actually has a chance of winning the primary and has to be thinking ahead to when he'll have to campaign heavily in the South. Perhaps Gephardt is just trying to appeal to the liberal base of the Democratic party as much as possible to have any chance, even if it means alienating rednecks.

David Cross made the exact same comment on his cd. I'd like to hear Foxworthy's version.

Boston!? Well, it's a college town, and I'm guessing some southerners go to school there. Really, though, that'd be a shock.

On a somewhat related note, I've gotten into listening and playing country music of late. I completely ruled it out before, but there's really a lot of good stuff out there. (Don't worry, I don't have a Calvin-pissing-on-Ford-symbol sticker on my Geo. Not yet, anyway.)

On another somewhat related note, how's Joe's guitar playing coming along?

Thursday, 6 November 2003 - 7:45 PM EST

Name: Marc

Joe can play snippets of several Dave Matthews tunes, which appeal to me about as much as soccer.

You should check out the Derailers, a dope country band that is not Nashville Pop. I would recommend Jackpot or Reverb Deluxe. Dwight Yoakum is great, especially his acoustic album dwightyoakamacoustic.net.

Friday, 7 November 2003 - 9:30 AM EST

Name: Shawn

Thanks for the recommendations. I'll check'em out.

Friday, 7 November 2003 - 9:30 AM EST

Name: Shawn

Thanks for the recommendations. I'll check'em out.

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