Anyway...not really just, go here...
And please, don't attack me.
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Thursday, 11 September 2003 - 12:17 PM EDT
Name: Marc
I don't know - I think the whole 'end of innocence' thing was phony and still is. I mean, the very same building had been bombed less than a decade before. And all I can remember from childhood news reports during the 80's is the Achille Lauro, Lockerbie, etc. And I guess, being a history nerd, I look at current events through the lens of the past. The capital of this country was once burned down by foreigners, you know. Actually, one of the first things I thought about on that day was the Barbary pirates.
I understand what you are saying about being disconnected. My first day back to work at Waldenbooks, one of my co-workers said something about 9/11 being like Pearl Harbor, and this being 'our war'. But there will be no victory gardens or rationing, so that even non-combatants are affected. Christ, we pay less taxes than we did at the start of the war.
I'm just not a real emotional person, so I never cried or flipped out or anything. But then I didn't cry when my father died, so it was unlikely that I was going to summon up a whole lot of emotion for people I didn't know. I think a lot of people in this country reacted the same way, a sort of quiet anger and then a decision made without a lot of agonizing or soul-searching: we are at war and Islamic terrorists are the enemy. If you read first-hand accounts of WWII (not Ambrose or any of those clowns), people weren't motivated by some abstract love of freedom or hatred of Nazis and Japs. They were just doing a job.
I think a lot of what you are reacting to - the orchestrated patriotism, the backlash, etc. - is just the media, which needs a story 24 hours a day. I know that I refused to put up an American flag after 9/11 for that very reason. I didn't feel that I needed to prove my patriotism to anyone, and I knew I would feel the same way long after the flags had come down. For the anniversary, I would have liked one of the networks just to replay their coverage from 9/11 all day long, instead of this memorial garbage.
Regardless of whether you knew someone who died, or were in NYC/DC at the time - it was absolutely real. It is the defining fact of the era between the defeat of communism and whenever we defeat these animals.
Thursday, 11 September 2003 - 12:24 PM EDT
Name: Draper
Barbary pirates huh. Yeah, I think, the few of us, all look at this thing the same...I just get sick of media, in general.
The forced phoniness of this entire place though...the media is just one aspect...those fucking flags...then those fucking self righteous left wing nut jobs who take every oppurtunity to attack the right (and God knows they deserve...but) I just don't like that day being used a a scapegoat, a reason, a rallying cry for whatever the cause...right, left, neither...just seems like shameless self promotion...the whole country seems to be doing it.
I dunno. Anyway...hey the O's are in town tom. You wanna' go?
Draper
Thursday, 11 September 2003 - 4:17 PM EDT
Name: MarcI don't think those swine are getting any more of my hard-earned disposable income this season. Dingus and I are doing some research into HS football. I want to see the old alma mater.